Ultra-high-fat (~80%) diets: Fat storage, and a delicious analogy.

Fat storage:

Here's a plot of mean (±SEM) plasma insulin concentrations during an oral-glucose-tolerance test (OGTT) when preceded by either a high-fat (▪) or a high-carbohydrate (□) evening meal and during an oral-fat-tolerance test (OFTT) when also preceded by either a high-fat (•) or a high-carbohydrate (○) evening meal.

From Extended effects of evening meal carbohydrate-to-fat ratio on fasting and postprandial substrate metabolism

100g of glucose produces a large spike in insulin concentration and 40g of fat produces no significant spike in insulin concentration. According to Gary Taubes' insulin hypothesis of obesity, in the absence of a significant spike in insulin concentration, fat cannot be stored.

Here's a plot of mean (±SEM) plasma triacylglycerol concentrations during an oral-fat-tolerance test (OFTT) when preceded by either a high-fat (•) or a high-carbohydrate (○) evening meal (from the previous post).

From Extended effects of evening meal carbohydrate-to-fat ratio on fasting and postprandial substrate metabolism

Average plasma triacylglycerol concentration over 0 to 360min is ~1.3mmol/L (~116mg/dL in US units).

Plasma triacylglycerol concentration falls to baseline between 240min and 360min. OGTT's and OFTT's are performed with the subjects at rest for the duration of the test.

Referring to It's all in a day's work (as measured in Joules) , at rest the subject is burning ~1kcal/min with ~95% of it coming from fat, making a fat-burning rate of ~0.11g/min.

At a fat-burning rate of ~0.11g/min, it would take ~360min for plasma triacylglycerol to fall to baseline if the 40g of fat from the OFTT was only being burned and not being stored. As shown above, it only takes ~120min to fall to baseline. Therefore, fat from the OFTT that isn't burned is stored in ~120min in the absence of a significant insulin spike. Q.E.D.

A delicious analogy:

Here's a plot of mean (±SEM) plasma glucose concentrations during an oral-glucose-tolerance test (OGTT) when preceded by either a high-fat (▪) or a high-carbohydrate (□) evening meal and during an oral-fat-tolerance test (OFTT) when also preceded by either a high-fat (•) or a high-carbohydrate (○) evening meal (from the previous post).

From Extended effects of evening meal carbohydrate-to-fat ratio on fasting and postprandial substrate metabolism

The OGTT (100g of glucose) produces a large spike in plasma glucose concentration which lasts for ~210min before returning to baseline. Higher plasma glucose concentrations glycate more than lower plasma glucose concentrations. Average plasma glucose concentration over 0 to 360min is higher with the OGTT than with the OFTT, therefore there is more glycation damage with the OGTT than with the OFTT. Don't regularly consume 100g or more of glucose!

Here's a plot of Mean (±SEM) plasma triacylglycerol concentrations during an oral-glucose-tolerance test (OGTT) when preceded by either a high-fat (▪) or a high-carbohydrate (□) evening meal.

From Extended effects of evening meal carbohydrate-to-fat ratio on fasting and postprandial substrate metabolism

Average plasma triacylglycerol concentration over 0 to 360min is ~1.0mmol/L (~89mg/dL in US units).

Although the plasma triacylglycerol concentration after consuming a high-carbohydrate evening meal is slightly higher than after consuming a high-fat evening meal, the two plots above are essentially flat, indicating that none of the 100g of glucose consumed was turned into fat by de novo lipogenesis (DNL) within 6 hours.

As discussed in the previous post, higher plasma triacylglycerol concentrations are more atherogenic than lower plasma triacylglycerol concentrations. Average plasma triacylglycerol concentration over 0 to 360min is higher with the OFTT than with the OGTT, therefore there is more atherogenicity with the OFTT than with the OGTT.
Don't regularly consume 40g or more of fat!

An interesting study that involved humongous fat consumption was Response of body weight to a low carbohydrate, high fat diet in normal and obese subjects , which used up to 600g of fat/day. It's possible to lose weight on an ultra-high-fat diet, but average plasma triacylglycerol concentrations would have been extremely high. Fasting TG's reduce on an ultra-high-fat diet, probably due to suppression of endogenous TG synthesis by exogenous TG intake.

Ultra-high-fat (~80%) diets: The good, the bad and the ugly.

The good:

Here's a plot of mean (±SEM) plasma glucose concentrations during an oral-glucose-tolerance test (OGTT) when preceded by either a high-fat (▪) or a high-carbohydrate (□) evening meal and during an oral-fat-tolerance test (OFTT) when also preceded by either a high-fat (•) or a high-carbohydrate (○) evening meal.

From Extended effects of evening meal carbohydrate-to-fat ratio on fasting and postprandial substrate metabolism

An OGTT (100g of glucose dissolved in water) causes a large disturbance in blood glucose level for up to 2 hours. Ditto for insulin (see Fig. 2).

An OFTT (40g of fat as cream) doesn't cause a significant disturbance in blood glucose level. Ditto for blood insulin (see Fig. 2).

The bad:

Here's a plot of mean (±SEM) plasma triacylglycerol concentrations during an oral-fat-tolerance test (OFTT) when preceded by either a high-fat (•) or a high-carbohydrate (○) evening meal.

From Extended effects of evening meal carbohydrate-to-fat ratio on fasting and postprandial substrate metabolism

An OFTT (40g of fat as cream) causes a significant rise in blood triacylglycerol (a.k.a. TAG a.k.a. triglycerides a.k.a. TG's) level for up to 4 hours. Note that the effect of a preceding high-carbohydrate meal on fasting TG's is only +0.1mmol/L. Is high postprandial TG's a problem? Definitely, maybe. From Cholesterol And Coronary Heart Disease , "Cholesterol-depleted particles oxidise faster than large, cholesterol-rich ones." Chylomicrons, chylomicron remnants & VLDL-C are triglyceride-rich, cholesterol-poor, as that's the composition of the fat in the diet.

The ugly:

Here's evidence that excessive postprandial TG's significantly raise the relative risk (RR) for CHD:- See Fig. 1 in Fasting Compared With Nonfasting Triglycerides and Risk of Cardiovascular Events in Women.

Here's more evidence that postprandial saturated fatty TG's raise the RR for CHD:- See Postprandial triglyceride-rich lipoproteins promote invasion of human coronary artery smooth muscle cells in a fatty-acid manner through PI3k-Rac1-JNK signaling.

See also Postprandial triglyceride-rich lipoprotein changes in elderly and young subjects.,
Effect of a single high-fat meal on endothelial function in healthy subjects.,
Postprandial lipemia: emerging evidence for atherogenicity of remnant lipoproteins.,
Alimentary lipemia, postprandial triglyceride-rich lipoproteins, and common carotid intima-media thickness in healthy, middle-aged men.,
Evidence for a cholesteryl ester donor activity of LDL particles during alimentary lipemia in normolipidemic subjects.,
Association of postprandial hypertriglyceridemia and carotid intima-media thickness in patients with type 2 diabetes.,
Postprandial hypertriglyceridemia impairs endothelial function by enhanced oxidant stress.,
High-energy diets, fatty acids and endothelial cell function: implications for atherosclerosis.,
Impact of postprandial hypertriglyceridemia on vascular responses in patients with coronary artery disease: effects of ACE inhibitors and fibrates.,
[Influence of postprandial hypertriglyceridemia on the endothelial function in elderly patients with coronary heart disease].,
Impact of postprandial variation in triglyceridemia on low-density lipoprotein particle size.,
Association between fasting and postprandial triglyceride levels and carotid intima-media thickness in type 2 diabetes patients.,
[Correlation of lipemia level after fat loading with manifestation of atherosclerosis in coronary arteries].,
Postprandial hypertriglyceridemia and carotid intima-media thickness in north Indian type 2 diabetic subjects.,
Association between postprandial remnant-like particle triglyceride (RLP-TG) levels and carotid intima-media thickness (IMT) in Japanese patients with type 2 diabetes: assessment by meal tolerance tests (MTT).,
Postprandial lipemia and remnant lipoproteins., 
Elevated levels of platelet microparticles in carotid atherosclerosis and during the postprandial state.,
Postprandial metabolic and hormonal responses of obese dyslipidemic subjects with metabolic syndrome to test meals, rich in carbohydrate, fat or protein.,
Atherosclerosis, diabetes and lipoproteins., 
Clinical relevance of non-fasting and postprandial hypertriglyceridemia and remnant cholesterol.,
Post-prandial hypertriglyceridemia in patients with type 2 diabetes mellitus with and without macrovascular disease.,
A hypertriglyceridemic state increases high sensitivity C-reactive protein of Japanese men with normal glucose tolerance.,
CD36 inhibitors reduce postprandial hypertriglyceridemia and protect against diabetic dyslipidemia and atherosclerosis., 
[Trends of evaluation of hypertriglyceridemia -from fasting to postprandial hypertriglyceridemia-].,
The effects of dietary fatty acids on the postprandial triglyceride-rich lipoprotein/apoB48 receptor axis in human monocyte/macrophage cells.

See also What Is the Significance of Postprandial Triglycerides Compared With Fasting Triglycerides? , Uncovering a Hidden Source of Cardiovascular Disease Risk and Postprandial Lipoproteins: The storm after the quiet!

A counter-argument is that the subjects in the above studies were eating carbohydrate, and that postprandial TG's aren't atherogenic if you're not eating much carbohydrate. Definitely, maybe. In the absence of carbohydrate, there is still glucose in the blood, thanks to the liver. Also, some carbohydrates don't spike blood glucose (or fructose) level. It's pure speculation that the subjects in the above studies had high blood glucose at the same time as high postprandial TG's. As Insulin Resistance/Metabolic Syndrome and/or a high-sugar diet raise fasting TG's, and there was no significant association between fasting TG's and the risk factor for CHD, this suggests that the subjects had no significant metabolic derangement and were not eating excessive amounts of sugar.

According to Very Low-Carbohydrate and Low-Fat Diets Affect Fasting Lipids and Postprandial Lipemia Differently in Overweight Men, there's a ~50% reduction in postprandial TG's after adaptation to a very-low-carb, very-high-fat diet. However, mean energy intake was only 1,850kcals/day. The subjects were in a 500kcal/day energy deficit and the %E from fat was only 60%.

Also, some people's LDL levels go extremely high on a very-low-carb, very-high-fat diet. See Lipidaholics Anonymous Case 291 Can losing weight worsen lipids? A very high LDL level results in a high LDL particle count, even if the particles are large (Type A). A high LDL particle count is a strong risk factor for CHD. See also Fig. 1 in Some Metabolic Changes Induced by Low Carbohydrate Diets.

It's possible to get Coronary Artery Calcium (CAC) scans, to measure the amount of calcified plaque in coronary arteries. While a high CAC value means lots of plaque, a zero CAC value doesn't necessarily mean zero plaque, as young people and people with a high Vitamin K2 intake don't have significant calcification. See Stenosis Can Still Exist in Absence of Coronary Calcium.

Update 26th July 2014: See Page 10 of  HIGH CARBOHYDRATE DIETS: MALIGNED AND MISUNDERSTOOD - Nathan Pritikin. Read the text, starting with:-
"Could such a cream meal precipitate an angina attack because the oxygen-carrying capacity of the blood is lowered?"
The answer appears to be "Yes."

Bray et al shows that a calorie *is* a calorie (where weight change is concerned).

Continued from Everyone is Different, Part 3.

EDIT: I made an error in stating that all of the extra calories came from fat, in the fat overfeeding phase. Thanks to commenter CynicalEng for pointing that out. It doesn't change the conclusion at all.

At 01:17 on 6th June, during a Facebook discussion, Fred Hahn told me:-
"Nigel Kinbrum - read this please.
Bray, et al. Shows that a Calorie is Not a Calorie and that Dietary Carbohydrate Controls Fat Storage.
Perhaps you'll learn something from a real expert who teaches metabolism to medical students at the largest medical school in the country."

So I did.

At 02:22, I replied:-
"Thanks for that. I read Feinman's blog post about Bray et al http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3777747/ some time ago.
There's a fundamental error in Feinman's analysis. As LeonRover pointed out in his comment http://feinmantheother.com/.../bray-et-al-shows-that.../...
In Diets:- "Absolute carbohydrate intake was kept constant throughout the study."
Also, in COMMENT:- "The extra calories in our study were fed as fat, as in several other studies, and were stored as fat..."
Oh, whoops! That may be why it was rejected by the editor."

Here's Figure 6 from Bray's study.

From http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3777747/

Some Definitions:-

LBM = Lean Body Mass
FM = Fat Mass = Body Fat

Weight change = (LBM change + FM change)

Weight change varies from ~+3.5kg (@ +2,500kJ/d) to ~+9.1kg (@ +5,900kJ/d).

(Maximum weight increase)/(minimum weight increase) = 2.6
(Maximum kJ/day increase)/(minimum kJ/day increase) = 2.36

∴ A calorie *is* a calorie (where weight change is concerned) ± some inter-personal variation.
∴ Insufficient protein can result in LBM loss (this is bad).
As LBM has a lower Energy Density (~400kcals/lb) than FM (~3,500kcals/lb),  LBM loss can increase weight loss, when in a Caloric Deficit.
See The Energy Balance Equation, for a simple explanation, and The Dynamics of Human Body Weight Change, for an incredibly complicated one!


I was rather chuffed when Alan Aragon left the following comment at 04:34:-
"Nigel is correct. From Bray et al's text:
"The extra calories in our study were fed as fat, as in several other studies [33,34], and stored as fat with the lower percentage of excess calories appearing as fat in the high (25%) protein diet group. The higher fat intake in the low protein group probably reduced nutrient absorption (metabolizable energy) relative to the other groups and this would have brought the intake and expenditure closer together in this group.""

Feinman has deleted his blog post. However, his post I Told George Bray How to do it Right is still there. I believe that Dr. George A. Bray M.D. sort-of did it right.

Dr. George A. Bray used a "weight maintenance formula" in all three groups for the weight maintenance phase. He then changed the formula in all three groups to low-P, med-P and high-P formulas, for the fat overfeeding phase. Carbohydrate grams remained constant in all three groups for all phases, but additional fat grams were fewer in the high-P group than in the low-P group, for the fat overfeeding phase.

I would have used the low-P, med-P and high-P formulas for the weight maintenance phase and for the fat overfeeding phase, to equalise the additional fat grams in all three groups.

Continued on Everyone is different Part 4, Fallacies and another rant!

Saturday silliness.

Now that I have resumed annoying people discussing diet & nutrition on the internet, the following chart should be used by non-English people, to allow them to understand what I write.

From http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2011/05/17/anglo-eu-translation-guide/

For a laugh, I created the superhero of Diet & Nutrition "The Nigeepoo".

Using http://www.heromachine.com/heromachine-2-5-character-portrait-creator/

Have a nice weekend!

False dichotomies: cot'd.

I'm talking about the "What causes Z, X or Y?" & "What is best, X or Y" type statements.

From http://johnbarban.com/fitness-vs-fatness-a-false-dichotomy/

Some people believe that hormonal disruption causes obesity, rather than energy excess. The vast majority of people who are overweight or obese weren't born with hormonal disruption. It's years of chronic energy excess (see Determinants of the Variability in Human Body-fat Percentage for the many reasons causing it) that make people too heavy/fat than is healthy. Once too heavy/fat than is healthy, various hormones become disrupted, causing even more energy excess. Therefore, the cause of obesity is not one thing or another, it's both (plus lots of others), which is why reversing it is so difficult.

On Peter D's blog, the title reads "You need to get calories from somewhere, should it be from carbohydrate or fat?" I say "Both. And some protein. And a bit of alcohol, too!" And I know that I shouldn't start sentences with And.

It's been a while since I posted a video of me singing. Here's one from February this year.

Bacon cures cancer. Wait, WHAT?

It probably didn't, but here's a heart-warming case study from Dr. Terry Simpson I spotted on Twitter.


From http://www.yourdoctorsorders.com/2013/02/bacon-cures-cancer

Mmm, bacon!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Made20bacon.png

I'm back with some miscellaneous ramblings.

I'm not dead! Who knew?


I saw https://twitter.com/JimJohnsonSci/status/468745252170248192 and read Modeling type 2 diabetes in rats using high fat diet and streptozotocin.

What I find a bit sad is the "cure > prevention" attitude. The cause of pre-diabetes & type 2 diabetes is pretty well known now, i.e. it's basically the inability of bodily stores (liver/muscle glycogen stores & fat masses) to accommodate any more, resulting in excessive amounts of various things (e.g. glucose, fat, cholesterol, NEFAs etc) in the blood, with varying degrees of beta cell dysfunction.

The degree of fatness at which bodily stores become full depends on the degree of adipocyte hyperplasia, so it's possible for slim people to become type 2 diabetic, though ~85% of type 2 diabetics are over-fat. Some slim people are misdiagnosed with type 2 diabetes, as they have LADA or signalling abnormalities. Some have acquired endocrine abnormalities.

I've been pre-diabetic twice to my knowledge, the most recent occasion being last year when I became slightly manic after mum died and got into a large number of arguments on various blogs. I "took my eye off the ball" diet-wise and ended up gaining too much body-fat, even though my belt didn't feel noticeably tight. I blogged about feeling too hot last year. When I had blood tests in September to find out why I was overheating so much, the results revealed hyper****aemia, where **** = glucose, total cholesterol & triglycerides. The doctor recommended that I take a statin. I declined, stating that I knew what had caused the problem and that I would deal with it. I was told to have repeat blood tests in 3 months time.

I subsequently "kept my eye on the ball" diet-wise (using bathroom scales to monitor progress), lost 8kg (some of it fat mass & some of it muscle mass) and when I was retested 3 months later, the previously abnormal blood test results were back to completely normal. That's twice I've gone from pre-diabetes to normal, which suggests that deterioration from pre-diabetes to type 2 diabetes is not inevitable, provided that the cause is dealt with before excessive irreversible beta cell dysfunction occurs.

The main reason why the incidence of over-fatness & type 2 diabetes is increasing is the overconsumption of "Crap in a bag/box/bottle" by increasing numbers of people. How to reverse this trend? Damned if I know!